Maybe we need to change the driver's license test to include what you are supposed to do when an officer pulls you over, tells you to open your window, etc. Where are people getting these ideas that they can ignore these requests?
Explicit instruction about traffic stop protocol in driver's ed would be a good idea. I never recall receiving any-way back in 1965. Just generally figured it was a good idea to be polite to people with guns and badges. Had a right wing nut job once tell me that the highway patrol had no right to stop anyone because of posse comitatus. I told him that he might be correct but that I certainly wasn't going to argue the point with an officer at the side of the road. The courtroom is the place to argue the validity of a stop and the actions of the officer.
I think part of the problem was that she didn't know what the words detained & infraction meant. NO EXCUSE, THOUGH!
The only question I have........should EMS have been dispatched at the very beginning when she said she was having a miscarriage; even if it was an excuse (& I'm not saying it was or wasn't)? Could there be repercussions for the officers for "denying medical attention (again not saying that is what happened as I'm sure you have heard everything)!"
To Anon @ 7:52am--The officer called for EMS as soon as she said she was having a miscarriage (I too will refrain from commenting on the veracity of that statement). EMS will not enter an unsafe area, and as she was not complying with the officer's requests, she was deemed an unsafe individual until she was under arrest.
To Rita, Posse Commitatus? The Highway patrol wear uniforms, but they aren't the United States military. I'm glad you know the difference. And I feel sorry for the idiot that tries the PC argument on the side of the road.
I understand they have to make sure the scene is secure! She said @ the the very beginning (about 42 seconds in) that she was having miscarriage & at least one other time b/f forcefully & justifiably pulled out of the car! I'm not questioning the officers actions I just asked why they weren't called as soon as she said it as too not delay medical attention if it was needed once it was safe! I'm not sure why you felt the need to jump down my throat for asking a question!
@Anonymous--yeah, I knew the argument was bullshit. The idiot in question was also a gold standard nut who knew squat about the history of currency. Thought scarabs were currency and that the use of glass and clay instead of gold was a result of inflation that reduced the population of Egypt to slavery so they could be forced to build the pyramids. Was amazed when I told him that King Croesus of Lydia invented currency, in the form of pieces of gold or silver marked with weight and some token that the government guaranteed the value.
Rita - sounds like you ran into a Sovereign Citizen! They claim they have all the rights of US Citizens but proclaim they are not US Citizens and are subject to none of the laws of the US. It's pretty out there - something something ... fringe on flags ... yadda yadda ... Admiralty law. They like to yammer their crazy during traffic stops, when crossing borders and their favorite past time seems to be filing as many lawsuits as possible to tie up the courts. They also like to provoke confrontations and they love to record it - Youtube has a fine collection of this special brand of @$$hattery!
So, I did deliver a bit of snark the other day, but you know? This was a bit of the cop's fault. Why couldn't he have just put the cite in through the window, have her sign it, and they all could have been on their way? He was the one who chose to put his hands over the window, placing them into jeopardy. For an equipment violation? If he could put his hands over the top of the glass, he could have passed in a piece of paper.
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It seems some people are severely confused.
Maybe we need to change the driver's license test to include what you are supposed to do when an officer pulls you over, tells you to open your window, etc. Where are people getting these ideas that they can ignore these requests?
Yep, Entitlement is the right word. See way too much of it these days.
Explicit instruction about traffic stop protocol in driver's ed would be a good idea. I never recall receiving any-way back in 1965. Just generally figured it was a good idea to be polite to people with guns and badges. Had a right wing nut job once tell me that the highway patrol had no right to stop anyone because of posse comitatus. I told him that he might be correct but that I certainly wasn't going to argue the point with an officer at the side of the road. The courtroom is the place to argue the validity of a stop and the actions of the officer.
With any luck at all she now has glass fragments down her plunging neckline.
OH! OH! I KNOW! IT'S CAUSE SHE'S BLACK, RIGHT?
Just a random thought: if an officer tells you to roll down your window, ROLL DOWN THE FREAKING WINDOW.
I think part of the problem was that she didn't know what the words detained & infraction meant. NO EXCUSE, THOUGH!
The only question I have........should EMS have been dispatched at the very beginning when she said she was having a miscarriage; even if it was an excuse (& I'm not saying it was or wasn't)? Could there be repercussions for the officers for "denying medical attention (again not saying that is what happened as I'm sure you have heard everything)!"
She should've complied regardless!
To Anon @ 7:52am--The officer called for EMS as soon as she said she was having a miscarriage (I too will refrain from commenting on the veracity of that statement). EMS will not enter an unsafe area, and as she was not complying with the officer's requests, she was deemed an unsafe individual until she was under arrest.
To Rita, Posse Commitatus? The Highway patrol wear uniforms, but they aren't the United States military. I'm glad you know the difference. And I feel sorry for the idiot that tries the PC argument on the side of the road.
I understand they have to make sure the scene is secure! She said @ the the very beginning (about 42 seconds in) that she was having miscarriage & at least one other time b/f forcefully & justifiably pulled out of the car! I'm not questioning the officers actions I just asked why they weren't called as soon as she said it as too not delay medical attention if it was needed once it was safe! I'm not sure why you felt the need to jump down my throat for asking a question!
@Anonymous--yeah, I knew the argument was bullshit. The idiot in question was also a gold standard nut who knew squat about the history of currency. Thought scarabs were currency and that the use of glass and clay instead of gold was a result of inflation that reduced the population of Egypt to slavery so they could be forced to build the pyramids. Was amazed when I told him that King Croesus of Lydia invented currency, in the form of pieces of gold or silver marked with weight and some token that the government guaranteed the value.
Rita - sounds like you ran into a Sovereign Citizen! They claim they have all the rights of US Citizens but proclaim they are not US Citizens and are subject to none of the laws of the US. It's pretty out there - something something ... fringe on flags ... yadda yadda ... Admiralty law. They like to yammer their crazy during traffic stops, when crossing borders and their favorite past time seems to be filing as many lawsuits as possible to tie up the courts. They also like to provoke confrontations and they love to record it - Youtube has a fine collection of this special brand of @$$hattery!
So, I did deliver a bit of snark the other day, but you know? This was a bit of the cop's fault. Why couldn't he have just put the cite in through the window, have her sign it, and they all could have been on their way? He was the one who chose to put his hands over the window, placing them into jeopardy. For an equipment violation? If he could put his hands over the top of the glass, he could have passed in a piece of paper.
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